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Poster: soundoff Date: Apr 17, 2010 8:09am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Is Adobe Flash going to be redundant?

this topic is deluted so heres some more

Not to butt in but the problem isn't sharing, the question is ownership. If i sell you my car that car is yours to do with what you please. But if I buy a DVD i cannot, charge money for others to see it, even though its mine. The truth is if you sell an item to the public then you should lose your rights to protect it, you are in fact selling your rights away at that time for profit now, instead of later down the line. This is the case if the artist sells his rights to another, and thats what they really do when the get paid huge amounts of money to make a movie or write a book, it should be compensated on the deal not later on material you have sold to the private sector who should by all rights own all aspects of the item in question. Copyrights are a fictitious claim to a product the Creator has in most cases already been paid for, and if not then the copyrights should exist until the owner sells them in some way to the new owner. the claim that I sell you food so your waste is mine is a bogus and unrealistic endeavor and fodder for lawyers and the bureaucracies. Should an artist who paints a picture be able to stop the buyer of said picture to paint over it?

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Poster: garthus Date: Apr 17, 2010 4:09pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Is Adobe Flash going to be redundant?

Soundoff,

Well said'

Gerry

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Apr 17, 2010 9:25pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Is Adobe Flash going to be redundant?

the problem is selling that CD or DVD after copying its contents onto your PC HDD.

Who is going to make movies like Star Trek, Sherlock Holmes, Sheik etc, if there is no money to pay the actors, producers, writers, technicians camera men, cleaners carpenters stuntmen etc? These same people go out and buy food, homes, cars, travel keeping other people in employment etc PROVIDED somebody had paid them to produce the movie.

What you are suggesting Gerry, is pretty close to the communist business model, and how many block buster movies did they turn out, before they saw the light, and look at what it did to their economy.

If people dont get paid for their works of art, even people producing works of art as a collective, they will stop producing, and find work elsewhere, otherwise they will quickly be homeless and hungry.

If it was possible for anybody to duplicate a car, pretty quickly you would only be able to licence the use of a car from the manufacturer and no longer be able to pay for the ownership.

I am sorry, I see no way around it, no matter have much I would like block buster movies for free, if people dont get paid for their work, then they will stop working, and do something else that does pay enough to put food on their tables in their homes.

Gerry, if you weren't paid, how long will you continue doing your computer administration job, which includes a form of work of art too?

Elsewhere you talk about the "crap" that fills 99% of your cable TV channels, if the producers did not get paid enough for the time and resources making the videos, no wonder you get crap, and of the other 1%, how long will that continue if they dont get paid?

Okay, you want less crap, you must then pay more for you cable subscription.

More importantly Gerry, if you were the computer administrator for a film studio, what would you do if management told all the employees (including you)that the studio WAS going to continue turning out block busters for the Cable Television Providers and DVD Distributors, but was going to abide by the wishes of the people of the world, and no longer putting a copyright on your work, that once the block buster is finished, its in the Public Domain for anybody to do with as they please, including uploading to the Internet Archive for anybody to download and do with as they please, including further distribution, including burning to DVD for those without WWW access, and for public showing for those without DVD players?

Be honest Gerry, while I do sort of see your point of view, what would you do, as computer administrator for the film studio that tells you, you wont get paid any more cash apart from as many free copies as you like of the public domain block buster movies you help turn out, BUT show up as usual in the morning to begin your 8 plus, hours of work like you always have done.

Be honest Gerry so we can have a useful discussion that might lead to answers that will enable your point of view to become the new business model for film studios.

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Apr 17, 2010 10:16pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Is Adobe Flash going to be redundant?

I did not realise I came in on the middle of the thread, I though Soundoff was commenting at the end of the thread.

Soundoff, re your

"Should an artist who paints a picture be able to stop the buyer of said picture to paint over it?"

Lets turn that into the DVD Movie discussion, if the DVD was R/W there would be nothing in the licence preventing you from formatting the DVD and burning your own files to the blank DVD.

But the DVD licence will STILL prevent you making a copy of the Block Buster movie on the DVD before you paint over said DVD with a new picture.

This post was modified by Time Traveller on 2010-04-18 05:16:06

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Poster: garthus Date: Apr 19, 2010 7:34am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Is Adobe Flash going to be redundant?

Peter,

Also, I provide a tangible service unlike derelict movie stars and politicians who are merely parasites on the body politic.

Gerry

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Apr 20, 2010 1:07am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Is Adobe Flash going to be redundant?

Okay Gerry, my question is STILL valid.

Would you continue as computer administrator with a movie studio, if management told all staff, that here on in, the studio was no longer copyrighting the block busters it turned out, but releasing them into the public domain on their opening day, for all to freely copy left right, centre and upside down and freely distribute world wide, including the Space Station.

That therefore, here on in, you would no longer be paid for your work, but still expected to show up for work as usual or you would be in breach of contract.

Gerry, I am not talking about any highly paid person at the studio, I am ONLY asking about YOU as the studio's computer administrator.

Don't change the question please Gerry!

Would you stay and work for free to back up your belief that copyrights should be abolished and people should help create works of art just for the love of it, rather than money?

Peter Lateral Thinker

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Poster: garthus Date: Apr 22, 2010 5:57am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Is Adobe Flash going to be redundant?

Peter,

I would never be in that position since I would have never signed such a contract in the first play. My job entails real value added, not some Winfry-like virtual value which has no basis in the real world other than extortion.

Gerry

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Apr 22, 2010 9:52pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Is Adobe Flash going to be redundant?

Don't change the question please Gerry!

I dont care if you would not have signed such a contract.

Once again, would you work UNPAID for a movie studio, so it can release its block buster movie into the public domain on opening day?

You advocate for abolishment of copy rights, saying people should produce works of art just for the love of it.

You forget people have to eat.

THEREFORE once again, would you work UNPAID for a movie studio, so it can release its block buster movie into the public domain on opening day?

Peter

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Poster: garthus Date: Apr 23, 2010 6:02am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Is Adobe Flash going to be redundant?

Peter,

Given those contract trms; yes I would.

Gerry

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Apr 23, 2010 7:57pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Is Adobe Flash going to be redundant?

So you say you would continue Gerry re

THEREFORE once again, would you work UNPAID for a movie studio, so it can release its block buster movie into the public domain on opening day?

How are you going to pay for food, power WWW access and your 120 channels of TV then?

Our phones are out for 24 plus hours due to a software issue in a number of exchanges controlled by a central computer, they can not even forward my land line calls to mobile, but they got voice mail back, which comes thru to mobile

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Poster: garthus Date: Apr 19, 2010 7:34am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Is Adobe Flash going to be redundant?

Peter,

These scumbags make millions of dollars for doing virtually nothing. I have no problem with a capitalist economic model, but at what point does one need 90 billion dolars per year like Oprah Winfrey. And what do we get but nothing more than an authoritative mouthpiece with a sub-optimal intellect. I would prefer to have no entertainment at all as I am perfectly capable of entertaining myself. Problem becomes when I am forced to pay for all the crap through advertising revenues which are built into product prices. I get around this by buying unprocessed food and picking garbage and fixing appliances myself. Their model would collapse if I had my way and then I would gladly urinate on its grave.

Gerry

This post was modified by garthus on 2010-04-19 14:34:22

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Apr 19, 2010 10:15pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Is Adobe Flash going to be redundant?


If Oprah got 90 Billion per year, its only because people WILL be watching her.

She must bringing in more than that for the network, more than than that for the advertisers that buy advertising space around her.

Give up all your Cable TV etc, and just buy legal DVD movies direct from the movie maker's distributors.

Cut out all the middle men who add their costs and profits just for doing the paper pushing.

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Poster: garthus Date: Apr 22, 2010 5:48am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Is Adobe Flash going to be redundant?

Peter,

You are missing my point. I do not watch any movies for enterainment. Never really did, and can live without them. Just because you think people are agreeing to pay for something which is a creation of a morally and intellectually corrupt government, does not make it right. Winfry gets the money she gets because of the corruption inherent in a system which allows her (with very little intellect) to monopolize th so-called entertainment profession. This is not a way to run a country, as we will soon find out.

Gerry

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Apr 22, 2010 10:11pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Is Adobe Flash going to be redundant?

So if the Government steps in and stops Winfrey, dont you think there would be screams of government interference?

Its an off shoot of supply and demand, she is only popular because so many people think so, therefore she makes heaps of money.

Gerry, you are one of the Minority that dont like her.

Gerry, I am the second one of the Minority that dont like her.

Gerry, we are out numbered.

AND your government can not interfere on OUR side.

I suppose you have the 172 channels of TV, just for the news then?

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Poster: garthus Date: Dec 20, 2011 8:16pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Is Adobe Flash going to be redundant?

Peter,
I have never suggested that the government should stop her; only that the laws which enabled such scum to become one of society's sainted, be abolished. Let her limited mental capacity compete against me in a free market, she will be left in the dung heap.

Gerry

This post was modified by garthus on 2011-12-21 04:16:03

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Poster: Time Traveller Date: Apr 23, 2010 8:43pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Is Adobe Flash going to be redundant?

But that would be taking away freedoms.

Hey, maybe you and me dont like her, but millions do, otherwise the advertisers would not invest in her TV appearances.

If she earns millions, SOMEBODY likes her?

And hey, is her style copyrighted?